How Vince Tan became One of the GREATEST Coaches in Asia

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With one perfectly refined pitch, Vince Tan set the coaching world on fire.

You wouldn’t know it from how he carries himself – just a humble guy in t-shirt and jeans.

Until he goes on stage in front of thousands… and ends event after event as TOP closer.

In this interview, you’ll learn some valuable business lessons from one of the best Webinar closers in Asia.

You’ll discover:

  • The No.1 thing ALL coaches, gurus or trainers need to succeed
  • How being an introvert didn’t stop Vince from becoming a top coach
  • How thinking offensively rather than defensively is game-changing for businesses
  • The most common thing holding coaches back in business… and how to overcome it

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Main Keypoints

  • 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
  • 00:52 Vince Tan’s Journey into Coaching
  • 01:54 Discovering the Love for Public Speaking
  • 07:17 The Power of Authenticity in Speaking
  • 13:52 Returning to the Stage After a Hiatus
  • 19:21 The Heart of a Coach: Passion and Intention
  • 20:33 Investing in Students: Long-Term Relationships
  • 22:12 Success Stories: From Students to Millionaires
  • 26:00 Bold Decisions: Calculated Risks in Business
  • 28:16 Building Wisdom: The Muscle of Long-Term Vision
  • 34:15 Overcoming Imposter Syndrome: Confidence in Coaching
  • 37:54 Practical Steps: Scaling Your Coaching Business
  • 40:44 Conclusion: Final Thoughts and Contact Information

Full Transcript

Terence (0:00 – 0:35)
Okay everyone, today I’ve got a very special guest, someone who is near to my heart and a good friend and someone who is also my mentor. I have the amazing Vince Tan here with us today and apart from that him being awesome is the fact that he also owns multiple businesses and one of them is actually a coaching business and he has grown the coaching business from like nothing to like probably one of the biggest coaching businesses in Asia today. So we’re very privileged to learn at his feet today.

Please welcome Vince Tan.

Vince Tan (0:36 – 0:44)
Thank you, thank you very much Terence. Really appreciate the opportunity and looking forward to an amazing conversation with you in today’s session.

Terence (0:44 – 0:52)
Okay Vince, I know I kind of like said a few things but is there anything I was missing just now that you might want to add to that?

Vince Tan (0:53 – 3:49)
Yeah, quite a fair bit of stuff. All the good stuff you didn’t share about but I think maybe for the benefit of the audience, I may not just give a bit of a context on maybe how I eventually end up in a coaching business. I think that that will be a good start to the conversation today.

So long story short, I was never imagined in my life that I’ll be doing coaching or training or public speaking actually. In fact, I come from a very, I personally believe I’m still an introvert today. I feel that I’ll feel very awkward in a social environment and even though people don’t believe it but it’s true.

So even until today as well and I really don’t like to have a conversation over the phone. I’d rather text and email and message because I felt that I have more time to think and respond. So that’s where I’m coming from.

I mean, I was born a geek since young. I love to play with computers. I like to spend my time behind computers and stuff like that.

So I personally really believe that I’m a nerd and an introvert to begin with. But what happened was that as I pursue my business, building stuff online and things like that, by accident that I was invited to speak in an event. In fact, that organizer is pretty much one of the largest seminar organizers in the world for people like Tony Robbins and Robert Kiyosaki.

These are the common names. So I ended up speaking for them and what I realized was that after that first time opportunity, two things happened. Number one, I realized that I really enjoy speaking.

It’s that feeling where, how do I say this? If you have never ridden a roller coaster and if it looks scary, on one end you’re afraid to go on it but number two, after you get on it, you realize you love the adrenaline rush and subsequently even on the roller coaster, you still feel afraid but you still enjoy the kind of feeling. So I realized that I love to speak.

It’s scary but I love to speak. It’s a love-hate relationship to be honest with you. I was not professionally trained just for everybody’s information and I still was not ever professionally trained before to be a speaker.

And then number two, what happened was that in a seminar industry and coaching industry, when you work with an organizer, what happened is that, long story short, the business model is that when you sell something on stage, then there’ll be a split of profit or revenue, whatever the percentage would be, 50-50, 40-50, 60-40 kind of thing. So what happened was that on my first attempt to speak on stage and trying to sell a product or services, I don’t know if it’s just an accident or not but out of all the multiple speakers who are much more experienced than I do, I ended up being the top closer for that event itself on my first try.

Terence (3:50 – 3:50)
That’s amazing.

Vince Tan (3:50 – 4:35)
So it is very fascinating and it’s fun at the same time. The feeling of using the right words and the way you say it could influence and move people. But it is also very scary at the same time because at the very early stage of doing all this, I realized how much of responsibility it is to have such power and ability and skill.

So I became the top closer and what happened is that when you become top closer, you make a lot of money for them. So from the organizer’s perspective, it’s just dollar and cents of course and they just bring you around the world. So from that one event alone, lead to three and a half years of every other week in different countries.

Terence (4:35 – 4:37)
What year was this? Sorry, just for context.

Vince Tan (4:37 – 6:42)
Maybe around 2009-ish or 2008, something along that line. So it’s been quite a while back to be honest with you. It’s been quite a while back.

I was probably in my late 20s, borderline 30s, that kind of range. And your hair was still all black. My hair was 90% black at that time.

So I didn’t look back. I really enjoyed it. I had a time in my life going around the world with them and speak, sell, coaching, teaching, making impact into people’s life.

I was teaching about online marketing because that was what I was really, really good at back then. So they came to me because they realized I was very good at online marketing. That’s how it happens actually.

So that was how I entrenched into it. And ever since then, I really, really enjoyed that very much. But ironically to think about it, one of my first job in my life and my last job in my life was being a lecturer as well in the university I graduated in.

So in a way, it is also the same. It’s like teaching and imparting knowledge and wisdom. So I realized I enjoyed that feeling of seeing your student receive certain knowledge and skills or wisdom from you.

And then it impacted their life in a way that’s positive. So that feeling of changing people’s life, literally changing people’s life, to me, that was the thing that became a pull factor for me. So I did that for three and a half years, every single other week in different country.

And then until one fine day, my parents just decided to ask me to settle down. Being very typical Asian parents, they asked me to settle down and get married, have kids. And somehow I did.

But I got more than what I bargained for because my wife ended up delivering triplets.

Terence (6:42 – 6:45)
So that’s evidence of your power as well.

Vince Tan (6:45 – 9:53)
That’s the evidence of how I want to do everything fast and get quick and massive result and take massive action, including having kids as well. So that’s what my mom said. She knows that I always like fast, get quick results and stuff like that.

So even having kids. So having triplets, you can no longer travel around the world that often anymore. So I settled down, spent more time with my kids and all that, took a step back, actually completely stopped my speaking engagement.

And in fact, it shocked the industry a little bit because people were wondering that Vince could just take a step back and not do this anymore. But to me, the speaking part has always been a side hustle to me. It was never my main hustle, even until today, something that I just happened to enjoy and therefore I’m just doing it.

So I could be a very blunt teacher. I could be a very truthful to myself. Even speaking on big stages, I could just wear a t-shirt and a jeans every single time.

Some people tell me that if you speak on big stage, you want to dress up a little bit better, wear an Armani jacket or whatever it is, because you want to be presentable. You want to seem like you are already successful. To be honest, I never ever have to succumb to any of those things.

I could be wearing my t-shirt and my jeans even in front of O2 arena in the UK, in front of 3,000-4,000 people and I could still be one of the best closer. So the point of the matter is that why I’m sharing this is to say that you do not need to wear an amazing, beautiful suit and jacket just to close better. You don’t have to.

I think being very genuine and truthful and I think that feeling of that I can be myself actually gives me even more confidence, which then translates to me being able to close more, to be honest. So that’s one big lesson actually that I learned. Not to say I learned, but I made that decision to be such.

Even at the early stage when people are saying that you got to make your product look easy, very simple and stuff like that, step 1, 2, 3, boom, you get results. You got to tell that to the people. In fact, I remember consciously in my head, I told myself that I’m not going to present in the way that I think is wrong and misinformation to the people.

I want to be as truthful as possible on stage and yet I can be the top sales. Even if whatever I’m trying to sell to my audience sounds difficult, but it’s truthful, I believe I can still sell well. I remember very clearly that’s what I told myself and while everybody else was maybe selling coaching or whatever that sounds like step 1, 2, 3 and that’s it.

Mine was, I still remember clearly it was my step and I could still be selling very well. So I think the part about being very truthful and genuine to your audience itself is a needle mover when it comes to conversion.

Terence (9:54 – 10:06)
So on that point about being authentic, I mean if someone doesn’t feel natural wearing jeans and t-shirt, then maybe he or she shouldn’t do it. If they feel more natural in the jacket or whatever, then they should do that.

Vince Tan (10:07 – 10:28)
Correct, of course. That’s why I think if you wear whatever that you are ultimately very comfortable with, that puts you in the very confident zone. When you are very self-conscious about how people look at you and judge you and think about you, then half of your brain is keep processing that information on stage rather than just focusing on giving your best talk.

Terence (10:31 – 10:37)
So the energy is kind of, the energy is diverted to the wrong thing already if you’re just not.

Vince Tan (10:38 – 11:45)
Correct, because if you’re conscious about yourself and about conscious about how people look at you, then you’re going to play defensive, right? You are already setting yourself up to be judged by people. So when you play defensive, there’s only so much of room for maximum potential.

In fact, it’s the minimum potential. You get what I’m trying to say? So when I come from a perspective of nothing to lose, I’m not embarrassed with wearing t-shirt and jeans.

There’s no limit into how far I can go, right? So that itself sets, so I think that’s a very invisible force that a lot of people don’t realize. It’s not just on this thing alone, actually.

I realize a lot of people setting themselves up for failures because of setting themselves up to be playing defensive than offensive, you know, or playing for the attack, right? So I think that’s a number one very big difference in how I approach things. I mean, it’s not just from, I mean, like if you wonder like, oh, is this a train of, is this a strategy that I deployed just specifically for speaking?

No, it’s really, it’s just a way of life. Right.

Terence (11:45 – 11:50)
So playing offensive rather than defensive, can you maybe also like give some…

[Speaker 1] (11:50 – 13:33)
Like a lot of people always like to think about like how to save money, right? I’d rather take the time to think about how to make more money. Got it.

So if your daily expenditure is $10, you’re thinking like, oh, I got to save up $9, you know, I mean, $10 is the maximum you can save. Is there a limit of how much you can make? No.

All right. So why do I focus on what I could potentially save? Or sometimes I, if I were to turn that around as well, Terence, is that like some people also think about how, how to protect what I have right now, because I’m so afraid of losing that.

So if you’ve got $1 million, the maximum you can, if you think that way is you can save your, I mean, like if you have, if you have, okay, if you have $1 million in your hand right now, and then you worry every single day you lose that $1 million, then the maximum you can do in your life is that you can save your, that $1 million in your hand right now. That’s it. Instead of thinking that, hey, I could go out there and grab another $10 million.

True. So that’s also the same, the same, the same thought process as well, you know? Um, so, but coming back to our, our topic, I think the, from a coaching perspective, um, uh, I think setting, setting yourself up, you know, before you go on stage, I think is a really, really important thing, you know, or, or, or not just on stage.

I mean, even on zoom or online or whatever it is, it’s the same, you know? Uh, I think the mentality of how you approach it, I think that’s really, really critical. Uh, when it comes to teaching, coaching, I mean, yes, people are going to have expectation and going to judge you.

And they look at you, they look out upon you, you know? I mean, like that’s a given, you know? And if you can’t deal with that, with the right kind of mindset to begin with, then you’re going to have a really, really, you’re going to struggle.

You get what I’m trying to say? Yeah.

Terence (13:33 – 13:33)
Yeah.

Vince Tan (13:33 – 19:38)
It’s like, oh, I’m not good enough. Did I teach the right thing? You know, all this stuff, like, so like, like, I think that’s number one, really, really critical point.

So, so for me from day one, I’ve always, now don’t get me wrong also, because some people might even argue like, you know, uh, sometimes we wear a jacket or whatever is out of respect for the event of course, right? If, if there’s a certain event that you have no choice, but you must, you know, be a little bit more formal, of course you’re going to, you’re going to comply to the protocol. I mean, that’s standard, you know?

Uh, but if not, then, you know, you wear what you’re comfortable with. I’m not comfortable with tie, you know, so I’m not going to wear tie unless, you know, there’s a royal family and I’ve got a protocol to follow a certain color scheme, then you got to follow, you know, that’s just because you respect the event. You know, I’m wearing t-shirt, I’m not wearing a torn and tattered t-shirt, you know, I’m not disrespecting my audience.

I’m just being myself. I’m still wearing a decent t-shirt and not having holes around and stuff like that. I think that’s fine too.

So, so, so, so I think at the early stage, that’s always been how I think and react, you know, uh, getting on stage and speaking to audience and stuff like that. So when I, when I had the triplets and I have to, you know, take a step back for like almost seven years, but, but the organizers has always been getting in touch with me. They keep wanting me to come back to speak again because, um, obviously, you know, it’s, you’re making good money for them.

They would love you to speak again. So after seven, eight years, I decided to come back again. And, um, I, I, like I said, I find joy in that.

So, um, I came back to, to speak again. I was, you know, uh, I remember they quickly put me into a very big stage at that time. Like they, from a seven years retirement, they put me back into a stage with 3000 people live, you know, yeah, no, no warming up.

And, and, and that time it was, I remember very clearly this event was, uh, the keynote was Chris Gardner from the pursuit of happiness. Uh, so I was being placed at just before the keynote speaker where the most people are going to be at, you know, usually that spot is reserved for the top closer. So, so there was a lot of pressure to be honest with you.

I ran over time a bit as well. Um, you know, and things like that. I was trying really, really, really hard to make sure that I managed to close well.

A long story short, I didn’t became the top closer. I was not the last, but, um, you know, like let’s say six or seven speakers who are selling on stage, I probably at number three or four. Um, of course I’m very disappointed in myself.

Um, the organizers try to conceal their disappointment, of course. And, and, and then after that, you know, I, I decided that I was gonna, I do need to sharpen back my skill again. So I, so I, what I did was I did a lot of very small event, 20, 30, 40, 50 people, you know, uh, you know, uh, just, just eat a humble pie and just, you know, lay low and just really practice.

Um, and then I set up, you know, cameras to make sure to record every single one of my sessions for the next hundred sessions. After that, you know, I would, I would, I would replay back after every single presentation, check every single word that I say. And then I will even study from the camera, my movement, my, my body language.

I will even study, you know, the audience language as well. Are they complying? Are they engaging?

Are they walking towards the sales table? Are they buying? Are they not buying?

Like I track every single thing, every single presentation. Um, think of it like, you know, a professional athlete or football or whatever, right? Training every single day, eight hours a day, just on one single kick.

And that’s what I do. So, so eventually I think about maybe it took me about maybe 100, uh, event. Uh, so repeating it a hundred times into live presentation, but on a smaller scale.

There’s the same presentation here. Yes, correct. The same presentation.

And eventually that’s how I, I, I went back up. My, my conversion became the highest in the industry again, you know, uh, and then from that point onwards, it went crazy again, you know, uh, because you see, when you are a speaker, um, the event organizers, they don’t like you to speak for any other event organizers, you know, and rightfully so, because they feel that what if there’s two organizers advertising for you at the same time, you know, that how, what about the confusion and stuff like that?

Right. So I, my conversion was so good and so consistent to the point that I have at one point, I remember very clearly internally, I was a little bit proud of what I achieved as well, because I’ve got seven event organizers marketing me at the same time. Right.

But the reason is because I’m so damn consistent that they are willing to accept that, you know, whatever that they advertise, they might send some people to the wrong event because in one week, the event organizers will have like, you have Monday, you will take Tuesday, you will take Wednesday, you will take Thursday, you’ll take Friday up to one point. I even have to have like two sessions in one day, you know, there was not enough slot for organizers as well. And they were willing to lose some leads to another organizers, you know, if there’s any confusion, because when you scroll, scroll through Facebook at a point in time, at my peak of that particular session time, you could be scrolling down and you could be seeing three times I would appear in your feed, but actually three different event organizers, you know.

At three different locations. Correct. So, but I told the event organizers that if every single one of you spend equal amount of money, the confusion is equal spread across, you will not lose, you know, you will lose five, but you’ll get back five from other organizers as well, you know, but if you spend less, then you might be losing out, you know.

So, so I was so consistent that I was the one that ended up sending, you know, performance report to the organizers. And, and if, if that event doesn’t work well, the event organizers are the one that will feel embarrassed because they know that I will always hit my mark. They will probably think about like, you know, where they’ve gone wrong with their marketing actually.

So that’s how consistent I am actually.

Terence (19:39 – 19:50)
That brings a good point. I mean, how many people are willing to do 100 events and record themselves and evaluate themselves? I, I’ve never heard of anyone do that.

Vince Tan (19:51 – 23:35)
Yeah. I mean, like, so, so, so that, that brings up a point there, you know, from the outside, people think that, wow, you’re gifted in speaking, but you know, in actual fact, it is really, it involves a lot of training and preparation and practice, just like a professional athlete, you know, so, so that presentation that was so well refined, I think that one 90 minute presentation that is used for selling a product, I think has done at least, if not, I think at least minimum, get close to, you know, $10 million. And, and that one presentation, pretty much 98% the same thing has, has withstand the test of time over seven years. All right.

And even if I take that and replay in a recording, you know, without me presenting it live, it is still converting at you know, so I’m saying this from the perspective of that, I’m, I’m of course very proud of my work because I do put a lot of sweat and tears into it, you know, but this is also to share with the audience while listening to this is that, you know, behind a very, very successful presentation, there is a lot of work involved, but to put the kind of work involved also, you got to have the right heart at the right place as well, you know, so that’s where I think, um, I think as a coach, it’s really important, a coach or a trainer, I think first thing first is that you got to really have the heart to really want to serve and want to teach.

And you really find a lot of joy in teaching. I think that’s really, really, really important. I think that’s the number one thing, you know, um, because if you’re just in it for like turning this into a thinking that this could be just be a business and just pure dollar and sand, um, honestly, I don’t think, I don’t think you will last that long, you know, because, you know, dealing with students, dealing with, you know, when it comes to teaching and all that, it’s a very nurturing thing.

You know, um, if you don’t have your students, you know, uh, best intention, uh, in your heart, I really don’t think that you should be a trainer. Uh, that’s just my personal opinion. All right.

Um, but if you have that right intention and the right heart, is this a, a good business? I personally think it is, you know, it can be a good business, uh, if it’s run in the right way. So for me, is that, um, you know, when I, when I, when I teach, you know, entrepreneurship to my students and all that, I mean, the truth is that it helps me to filter the right people coming across to me and eventually allows me to invest in them, invest in their business, um, you know, or connecting them to different people who needs different talents and all that.

So I see much further than just them coming in and maybe just pay for my workshop. You know, um, I see it as a much longer term relationship and that allows me to be extremely truthful and very blunt to my students and being straightforward to them, you know, because I see them more than that. So therefore I have the intention to really want to make them, you know, as successful as possible because I have the intention to invest in them as well.

Right. So if I, if I don’t have intention to invest in them, then all I care about is that you come into the workshop, I get paid and then we move on with life, right? Why do I want to spend my time to nurture you and talk to you and try to identify whether you’re the right talent or not, and then see how to build business together.

Like all these other things takes a lot of time and effort, you know, but of course, if it works out well, uh, eventually turn into some kind of business that I’m involved in one way or another, then it will end up being a very big payday. So if you say financial standpoint, yeah, it is probably more lucrative than just selling a workshop, you know, but to do that, I got to have a long-term view on you. You know, if I have a short-term view on you, then I just want your 300, 500, 1000, 2000, and I’ll just walk away.

Terence (23:35 – 23:50)
So Vince, I understand that’s your business model where you kind of train your students and you invest in them. I mean, um, can you share some of your success stories there on what some of your students have achieved through and what you have achieved by investing in them?

Vince Tan (23:50 – 27:23)
Uh, I, I think I’ve created a few hundred millionaires from scratch. Um, although I don’t track them, you know, we, we have kids who just come in at 17 years old and then become a millionaire within a year. I have one, one kid who come into my class, cannot even afford my class in the first place at the age of 19.

In fact, it nearly didn’t happen, um, because he was asking for some kind of flexibility when it comes to the, the tuition fee. Uh, it was my wife that reminded me about it, you know, because she happens to be at that event that day and remind me that, Hey, you don’t forget that you promised to do a deal for this boy. And then I think what happened was we end up striking a deal and say that you could pay half today and come into the class.

And then the other half is paid over a six-month period, you know? And, uh, the first very obvious thing that caught my attention was that he paid on time every single month without us having to chase for it. And, and, and, and to me, that’s a very important factor when it comes to, I mean, it was a very important pattern that I saw because it really tells me a lot about this boy, you know?

So at the age of 19, he came in and then two years and three months later, he ended up, he came to the point that he was able to buy his dream car, a Lamborghini. Um, so that was at age 21 and he bought a Lamborghini, a red Lamborghini. And every year he will drive his Lamborghini to my house and buy me durian because he knows I love durian, that smelly food.

And, and, and, you know, this kind of little things actually really motivates me to continue to do what I do when it comes to the education business. You know, that feeling of like, you know, you taught someone and that person’s life has changed forever. Um, I mean, changing people’s life is really, I feel it’s a superpower and the kind of, uh, non-monetary reward you receive will, will be something that is, if I, if, you know, today I don’t do anything else, you know, I am very proud of what I’ve achieved it.

The, the students that I, that I work with, you know, you know, I can’t see any other career that can get me that kind of, you know, that kind of sense of satisfaction. Yes, that’s right. So, I mean, like the, the other one that is, that is, uh, of course really popular case study that I always share was that, you know, the, uh, one guy that came to me, his name is CK.

You know, he, he had no idea what to do. You know, when he came to my workshop, always wanted to be an entrepreneur. He was under employment from, for a long time.

Uh, after a couple of times coming to our workshop, I ended up giving him an idea to sell white shirt. It sounds nothing special, but of course I have some insights on to why I think white shirt that have been a very successful business. So I, I, I gave him the idea.

I taught him what to do. And, you know, he did a product launch on that and we did, uh, a million in sales within the first 10 days selling white shirt. Uh, but that’s not the best part.

The best part is that, you know, we collected this 1 million, uh, in cash and we promised to deliver the shirt three months later, um, because we didn’t want to take the risk of putting order onto the for, from the factory, if you’re not going to have any order at all. So, I mean, that was one of the skills that I teach my student, by the way. So what happened was, um, yeah, so we did a million and, you know, the company eventually worth 26 million within the first 16 to 18 months.

And now they have a, their flagship store in shopping mall. Uh, so it has come a long way, but yeah. So, so this was, these are just some of the, you know, uh, interesting case study.

And, and they are the one that drives me forward to do what I do every single day. Nice.

Terence (27:23 – 27:55)
Vincent, the industry, you also are kind of well known for your balls of steel and I’ve experienced your balls of steel personally as well, not in a physical way, but in a very, in a business sense. Right. So don’t, don’t get me wrong.

Um, tell, tell us some of those stories where, you know, you just see an opportunity and you just go full out on it. And, you know, for most people, like for me, for example, that’s like, well, that’s super risky, but what’s your thought process behind it and how do you do it?

Vince Tan (27:56 – 29:58)
Well, actually it’s not, not risky to be honest. I think, I think it’s, um, it is about, you know, figuring out all the necessary, um, numbers and statistics to back you up to make that kind of decision where to others, it feels like it’s a very bold decisions. Right.

Um, I mean, like, you know, about, let’s say, you know, expanding on a business, spending money on advertisement, um, 10,000, 50,000, 100,000, 200,000, 300,000, you know, on a single campaign. I mean, it wasn’t like, you know, from day one that we spent 300,000 on a campaign, you see, um, it was built over time. Uh, and, and so the truth is that I think, you know, the ability to take bold steps is actually from the muscle building that was built over a long period of time.

Um, so, so it was never about like, you know, oh, see, you know, if, if you see Vince just spend 300,000, okay, tomorrow you spend 300,000. No, it doesn’t work that way. You know?

Um, but the question is that to ask yourself is to, for me, uh, how are you going to get there? Like what, what is stopping you from getting there? I mean, what are the, the unknown that puts you in that fearful situation that stops you from getting to that point and then finding answer to solve each of this unknown so that there’s no more unknowns.

And then therefore the only way forward is to, you know, grow and scale. It’s really just that, to be honest, you know? Um, so for me to dare to spend 300,000 is that I see that even I spending 100,000 is already proven to be making money, for example, achieving my objective.

And then to spend 100,000 is that spending 50,000 already, uh, is proven to me. And to spend 50,000 is to prove that I can spend 10,000, I can, I can get what I want. You get me?

So if you keep spending 10,000 and get what you want, then 20,000 is not scary. If you spend 20,000 and do the same thing, then 50,000 is not scary. You get what I’m trying to say?

So, so the point is, I’m just trying to say is that it’s actually a,

This podcast is hosted by Terence Tam, author of Lead Surge: 8 Radically Effective Marketing Funnels for Coaches and Experts. He is also the Founder of Radical Marketing, a digital marketing agency that partners with high-ticket coaches to scale their businesses with Webinars – by using a proprietary blend of story ads and battled-tested sales funnels to achieve better returns on ad dollars.

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